Man Utd fans Anti Glazer demo

Stacki · **Posted:** Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:14 pm

At todays game. Second half Burnley fans starting singing "Where's your money gone", couple of mins later some Utd fans sitting about 50-60 yards from where i was sitting rolled a sign out and hung it down from the stretford end ad sung a little bit, next thing heavy handed as f**k the stewards roughed them up and kicked them out. Well OTT

Give it a couple more mins and somemore lads sitting in the same area of the ground got another one out only this time it was smaller, same thing happened again this time oe of the stewards got smacked in the face off one lad he got booted out too which was fair enough but his mates sitting around him got ejected too.

So is it against the rules to show any sort of demonstration inside a football ground these days, afterall it was fair peaceful and causing no harm to anybody :conf

When the second one kicked off the chant of "f**k off Glazer" went all around the ground, think plenty of the Burnley fans joined in.

Can see things getting worse too

I will be interested to see if this is covered on MOTD tonight or in the papers tomorrow. For me the Utd stewards should be ashamed of themselves the way it al got handled and if they had been given instructons to act like that their twats they really are.

Some c**ts are killing the club and Utd fans are expected to sit back and accept it.

Jimmy Mc · **Joined:** Tue Mar 06, 2007 10:56 pm **Posts:** 2224

Aren't stewards at Old Trafford notorious for being wankers?

f**k the Glazers, Hicks and Gillett. Stick it to the c**ts :clap

Dave · **Posted:** Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:43 pm

The stewards in the away end when I was up there were non-existant! I didn't have a chair come about 30mins due to the frustration of the bloke behind me kicking it off the stand. Nice bloke.

23 Carra Gold · **Posted:** Sat Jan 16, 2010 11:54 pm

It's against the rules if it's against the owners.

Agricola · **Joined:** Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:29 pm **Posts:** 489

same thing happening at Pompey too. Some c**ts are killing the club and Pompey fans are expected to sit back and accept it.

Stacki · **Posted:** Sun Jan 17, 2010 12:16 am

23 Carra Gold wrote:

It's against the rules if it's against the owners.

Dont think the stewards needed to be as heavy handed as they were though. From where i was sitting it didnt look as though they told them to just take it down and leave it at that. No it seemed they said nothing just grabed hold of them and off they popped.

Have to take to the outside of the stadium and just sing inside :spin

7eric7 · **Posted:** Sun Jan 17, 2010 12:50 am

The fight from within seems to have started at last, four and a half years late, but better late than never I suppose.

Although the meeting at O'Brians was a bit of a farce.

As for the stewards, they are up there with the West Midlands and Staffordshire cuntstabulary.

Plenty of anti Glazer songs evident as well, and you could hear them on Motd as well.

Burnley HefCee · **Posted:** Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:46 pm

I think most of the anti-glazer chants were actually coming from the Burnley fans :lol

Stacki · **Posted:** Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:57 pm

When the Burnley fans were singing "Where's your money gone", Utd fans were clapping them :lol

bet Glazer was gutted.

Not too much cheering from the Utd fans at all yesterday apart from the goals. Was funny sitting in the Utd end listening to the panic when it was 0-0 at halftime. Just been looking on another board and one Utd fan said he pulled one of the stewards and they told him the management (Owners) had orded them to deal with them in this way. Dont know how much truth is in that but it wouldnt surprise me at all.

Biggest overreaction ive seen at a game of football in a very long time. Plenty of Utd fans really pissed off the way they handled it and said they wont be renewing their seasons tickets.

Cant f**king blame them

7eric7 · **Posted:** Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:51 am

Quote:

If you are a Manchester United supporter seeking someone to blame for the indignities of your club, just go to Old Trafford for today’s match against Burnley and turn your eyes to the dugout. There, furiously masticating, will be your culprit.

Sir Alex Ferguson may also be tapping his watch; an especially apt image, for every minute United attract more interest on the loans with which the Glazer family bought the club in 2005. And it is Ferguson who has been the Glazers’ most strident defender — not surprisingly, given his role in the chain of events that put them in charge.

The proposed shifting of debt to a bond — the purpose of the present worldwide sales pitch, which only consumes more of the club’s money — is an irrelevance. United will remain a mere cashpoint for the Floridians, a source of fees for their associates; the documents leaked this week were eloquent on that.

As for the footballing outlook, it is significant that United’s main activity, since the English title was secured and the European let slip eight months ago, has been to emphasise their status as a feeder club for Real Madrid by selling the world’s top player, Cristiano Ronaldo.

But, of course, the roots of the problem go much deeper than the sudden loss of face might suggest. The Glazers did not appear from nowhere and put United into vast debt for the fun and mischief of it. There was a gradual process whereby the club were sucked from the responsible and relatively caring hands that used to run it — balancing the books while keeping tickets as widely affordable as possible — into the rough grasp of profiteers.

Ferguson was crucial to this. In 1997, he befriended John Magnier, an enormously successful Irish racehorse breeder. He did nothing to discourage Magnier and his friend J. P. McManus, a big-time gambler, from buying a stake in United that grew and grew until it was eventually sold, at a profit reckoned to exceed £100 million, to the Glazers. He welcomed the Glazers and started singing their praises to the fans.

Whether this was because he recognised a personal responsibility for their saddling (if that is the metaphor) the club with a burden that, despite constraint on expenditure, has risen by £62 million in less than five years can be only a matter for conjecture. But Ferguson has been very Glazer-friendly.

The afterglow of the Champions League triumph over Chelsea in 2008 afforded an opportunity. Back from Moscow, a tracksuited Ferguson looked every inch the champagne socialist as he poured bubbly for journalists at United’s training ground and said of the Americans: “They’ve got balls.” They would not let Ronaldo go. They would rather “let a player sit in the stand” than sell him to Real.

“He’ll not be leaving in the next two years,” Ferguson asserted. A year later Ronaldo was at the Bernabéu and the Glazers had sent the proceeds to hedge funds. And still Ferguson was his masters’ voice; only last week he promised that he could spend on players and was just waiting for “value in the market”.

Even the supporters, to whom knowledge of Ferguson’s acquiescence with successive carpetbaggers is the truth that dare not speak its name, do not swallow the “value” argument. They laughed off blunders such as Juan Sebastián Verón because they knew Ferguson would get it right next time and saw a secure future. Unlike Leeds United’s fans, they could afford to live the dream. Pinch-yourself time stretched into a trio of Barclays Premier League titles and it was only after the quest for another Champions League triumph foundered in Rome that questions began to be asked.

Not as many as the 99 put to the United board by Magnier after his relationship with Ferguson soured over Rock Of Gibraltar, the multiple classic-winning horse (the Irishman’s curiosity about transfer deals and the involvement of agents, including Ferguson’s son, Jason, abated once Ferguson had been obliged to settle out of court); the supporters just wanted to know when the Ronaldo money would be flourished.

Ferguson’s answers have been frustratingly vague and now, as his squad prepares for scrappage — Ryan Giggs, Paul Scholes and Edwin van der Sar are nearly finished and Rio Ferdinand creaking and none has much sale value (although a few more quid could be squeezed from Real for Nemanja Vidic) — the nightmare scenarios unfold. Some are naive. But so were the dreams that debt carried no penalty.

Those of us who have long advocated zero tolerance of ownership debt, warning of its dangers to formerly prudent and supporter-sensitive clubs such as United and Liverpool, are accustomed to resistance and Ferguson, on that morning in 2008, spluttered: “It’s all nonsense. They [the Glazers] are brilliant owners. All takeovers are done by debt. Do you think if I wanted to take over Marks & Spencer I could just go and get £3 billion from under the floorboards? No — I’d go to the Bank of Scotland.”

Within a few months, the Bank of Scotland was having to be rescued.

Because of his achievements, Ferguson will never be fully held to account for what has happened to the club. Some even think that he opposed the crucial decision to float in 1991, although my researches for a biography of Ferguson to be published this year suggest that his main reason for refusing shares was that another employee whom he considered less significant — a finance director by the unfeasible name of Robin Launders — was offered more.

So others, notably Magnier and McManus, were to reap the entire harvest of Ferguson’s outstanding management.

What next? Having arrived in 1986 with a pledge to knock Liverpool off their perch, he sits in his cage and waits for the baseball bats from the City of Manchester Stadium. Sheikh Mansour does not have to do things the nice way.

The debt-free owner of Manchester City, if he wished, could buy out the Glazers, keep Wayne Rooney and Patrice Evra, flog the rest and, having painted Old Trafford blue, use it as a training ground.

In which case not to have a Sir Alex Ferguson Stand would be ungrateful.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 990019.ece

Alex Ferguson - brilliant manager but a c**t of a man.

Its just a pity Barclay couldnt have written this piece in 05 instead of pouring scorn on the people saying the exact same thing. :angry

7eric7 · **Posted:** Mon Jan 18, 2010 10:12 am

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Manchester United supporters fighting the Glazer family's ownership of the club are contemplating asking Sir Alex Ferguson to make the ultimate sacrifice and resign in protest.

The idea was put forward at a specially convened meeting of fans' groups to determine an action plan to drive out the Glazers. The Manchester United Supporters' Trust, which arranged the meeting before Saturday's 3-0 defeat of Burnley, are also exploring the possibility of asking Eric Cantona to act as their figurehead, and plans are being put in place for a protest march before the Champions League tie against Milan on 10 March.

More than 300 fans attended the talks and Johnny Flacks, a founding member and former chairman of the Independent Manchester United Supporters' Association, proposed a letter should be written to Ferguson asking him to step down as manager as manager.

"This is not intended as an Alex Ferguson rant," Flacks said yesterday. "But he claims to be a socialist, a former shop steward and a man of the people, so he must be horrified by what is going on. It would work only if thousands of people sent a copy of this letter to Ferguson letting him know that our fear, if the Glazers stay in control, is that his legacy is going to be destroyed. We wouldn't want that and I don't think he would either."

The fans' meeting was followed by sustained anti-Glazer chanting at Old Trafford during the Burnley game and stewards confiscated a large banner that was briefly unfurled at the Stretford End and read: "Love United, hate Glazer".

Ferguson has always defended the Glazers since the Florida-based family took control of the club, but he had expressed his misgivings before they moved into power and is now operating under strict financial constraints. The Glazers have raised the prospect of selling and leasing back Old Trafford and their Carrington training ground and are looking to borrow £500m in a bond issue, as a partial replacement for the £700m debts their 2005 takeover has loaded on to the club.

The supporters' groups vehemently opposed the takeover in the first place and appealed for Ferguson's help then as well, without any success. Nonetheless, the idea of asking Ferguson to resign will inevitably provoke widespread opposition and, in some cases, shock given his importance to the club and his status as the most successful manager in the business.

"That is the ridiculous scenario," Flacks said. "We are talking about a manager who has achieved so much for the club and has created the monster that is Manchester United. But we have to look at the greater good and at the moment we have the ludicrous situation where a club that gets over 70,000 supporters is losing money.

"This would be Ferguson's chance of saying that something had to be done. He would be looking after the club in the longer term if it meant the Glazers would sell more quickly. And if he said he was going to resign, maybe that would also encourage potential buyers to hurry up."

Flacks has known Ferguson for many years and was so close to him at one point the United manager would regularly attend IMUSA meetings and invite him to the old Cliff training ground. "Moving to Carrington was his baby and he must be horrified that the Glazers could now be thinking of selling Carrington and then arranging for it to be leased back," Flacks said. "That would make Manchester United no better than a non-league club not even owning a training ground."

The Trust has pointed out that Flacks's comments do not necessarily represent those of the group as a whole.

A march before the Milan game may involve a concerted effort to leave the stadium with large expanses of empty seats at kick-off, with the protestors not entering the stadium until five or 10 minutes later. There will also be a campaign to encourage season-ticket holders not to renew if the Glazers are still in charge.

Privately, one member of Ferguson's staff has already expressed his support but the captain, Gary Neville, has made it clear he wants no part of it. "We're always very well protected and we never get involved in the financial side of things There have been talks and rumours over the years going back to when the Glazers took over, and even when Michael Knighton nearly took over in the 1980s. As players we never get involved in those things; our job is purely on the pitch and we allow people who are paid to do jobs in other areas of the club to do their job. It's nothing to do with us at all."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010 ... gn-protest

Firstly, the journalists at the meeting were asked to treat everything said in the meeting as off the record, no suprise The Guardian just chose to totally ignore the request.

Secondly, Gary Neville " It's nothing to do with us at all" maybe you arent a red after all then Gary, off course its f**king got something to do with you. :angry

7eric7 · **Posted:** Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:08 am

A statement from iMUsa

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It’s been just a couple of years since IMUSA’s comments to the effect that the inside of Old Trafford was sometimes like a ‘police state’ led to Sky TV cameras being banned from the next United press conference as punishment for broadcasting these comments.

At yesterday’s game we saw once again that those in charge of the OT ‘match day experience’ will not tolerate anything that disrupts the image of United supporters as being completely hypnotised by the ball and only concerned about the result.

There was a small protest inside the ground, following the news of the Glazers’ financial ravaging of our once debt free club. All this involved was the unfurling a “Love United, Hate Glazer” flag over the front of the Stretford End.

The reports from our members are that this was dealt with swiftly, savagely and almost certainly illegally by the stewards in that part of the ground.

The individuals concerned were manhandled, kidney punched and in spite of them making it clear that they were the only ones involved, everyone in the row of seats behind the flag, including a young child, were evicted from the ground as well. One member described the incident as follows;

“I was shocked by the treatment of anti-Glazer youths by MUFC Stewards. I protested but it needs more people to join in. The leaders of the Stewards claimed it was safety & security & “we’re only doing our job” or “we’re only doing what we’re told”; but a perfectly peaceful demo by a small group was brutally quashed. I really was shocked.”

If the plan was to silence this protest, it failed.

The previously sporadic anti-Glazer chanting erupted and according to one of our members, “exceeded anything I’ve heard, even in 2005”.

This protest was reported in several national newspapers, such as The Telegraph and on the the web.

We are also aware that the BBC have received several complaints from people in the ground but who had nothing to do with the protest that they did not give it enough (ie any) prominence on their MOTD coverage.

IMUSA have been asked by the flag’s owners to contact the club to arrange for the return of the flag following its confiscation and have done so. We will also be asking the club to check the qualifications of the stewards involved in dealing with this protest and to review their behaviour.

A lot of fans are clearly upset by the revelations about the Glazers’ mishandling of the clubs’ finances and so must be expecting more protests to occur.

A less barbaric way of dealing with these protests other than assaulting, evicting and confiscating the season tickets of fans who are merely expressing their concern about the long term future of the football club they care so much about must be found.

Stacki · **Posted:** Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:11 am

Like i say i was sitting really close to that banner and it was f**king pathetic and totally uderstand the Utd fans being pissed off. Wouldnt have been too bad if the stewards reacted heavy handed IF the fans in question had been going up and down making c**ts of themselves but they didnt so it was uncallled for. By the looks of things one of them was young lad aswell who landed on his arse with 2 or 3 of them ba***rds on top of him.

Ive seen bouncers in a f**king nightclub handle people a lot better

23 Carra Gold · **Posted:** Mon Jan 18, 2010 2:11 pm

Neville wants locking up for saying that.

your old man · **Joined:** Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:40 pm **Posts:** 5722

Jimmy Mc wrote:

f**k the Glazers, Hicks and Gillett. Stick it to the c**ts :clap

innit

if there was a facebook group set up with this as its title, i wonder how many people would join. a good few hundred thousand perhaps or even a million plus if sentiments are shared globally.

OZ · **Joined:** Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:33 pm **Posts:** 11904

I used Anti Glazer once when I had a computer virus, but it didn`t work for some reason, I think it`s because it was a demo verson.

Galactico · **Posted:** Mon Jan 18, 2010 11:59 pm

My view of Gary Neville is confirmed - a c**t through and through. In marked contrast to the implied support Carragher and others have given the (sadly since discredited) Spirit of Shankly. (Also in contrast to Fowler and McManaman having the principles to support the Liverpool dockers.)

As Eric knows, I thought it was a dark day for football when the Glazers took over at MU and I had a lot of arguments with (mainly internet) LFC fans over it at the time who seemed to think that anything that upset MU fans couldn't be bad, rather than recognising what it actually meant. It paved the way for the exact same thing to happen at Anfield, but more than that, it was a step too far down the road to death the great game has been travelling on since the early 90s.

JoeBert · **Posted:** Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:32 am

Perceptions influenced by favour eh?

Carragher and others can infer and imply all they want, I can't see how it counts for that much if that's all they do though. When they attend meetings, help the organisations such as SoS, or even put their hand in their pocket for dollar one - I'll be more than happy to elevate them above the complete disdain, that their meek acquiensence in allowing the game to be further and further removed from the fans has earned.

Galactico · **Posted:** Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:42 am

JoeBert wrote:

Perceptions influenced by favour eh?

Carragher and others can infer and imply all they want, I can't see how it counts for that much if that's all they do though. When they attend meetings, help the organisations such as SoS, or even put their hand in their pocket for dollar one - I'll be more than happy to elevate them above the complete disdain, that their meek acquiensence in allowing the game to be further and further removed from the fans has earned.

If they did the things you ask, they'd be bombed out of the club! There's no point in doing that, but to say "It's nothing to do with me" as Neville, a lifelong Man United fan does, is pathetic.

AndyJH · **Joined:** Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:22 am **Posts:** 5

I was part of the anti-glazer demonstrations (and eventual riot) at Old trafford in 2005.
After being on a few of these, batoned and bit by a police dog I suddenly thought - stuff this Ive had enough.
So after 25 years of going to OT I took the decision with a heavy heart to give up my season ticket - getting involved with the formation of FCUNITED and following them instead for my fix of football and United banter.
Not an easy decision and agaisnt the wishes of my grandad and dad, both salford lads who had spent all their lives going weatching the shirts as well.

But somethign about the whole episode sickened me - the fact our club was being taken over by these clowns and the few people who were standing up for what was right - were beign bullied into silence - right outside the ground our loyal support and money had built over decades.
Sometimes you have to make a stand and say - NO - THIS ISNT RIGHT - IM NOT HAVING IT. Mancs are famous throughout history for doing this very thing.
We were not Chelsea or City who like a sad desperate prostitute needed a handout from a sugar daddy - we were Manchester United - we had pride and something to fight for not just a pile of debts and failure.

The fans were the only people who had the interests of the club at heart - not players who 1) either didnt give a f**k, 2) were too thick to understand what as going on, or 3) like Neville were just interested in self preservation - and not the likes of David Gill and Ferguson - who were both on record as saying they didnt want United sold - yet went full circle and backed the takeover as it becamwe apparent it couldnt be stopped to save their own necks - utterly pathetic - personally Idsee them both nailed to the posts infront of the stretford end for their part in it all. Traitors.

It gives me no pleasure to say everything we spoke out about in May 2005 and tried to stop is now coming to pass - these were not trouble making yobbos - these were seasoned clued up reds with decades of support who loved the club and its history and cared for its future deeply.
Unlike the likes of Ferguson and Gil lwho were looking after their pensions and share pay offs and happy to bow down and suck the Glazers off.

Its refreshing to see someone earlier in this thread mention the role Ferguson played in all this over the years - one day some journalist with balls will expose it for what it was - including the embarrasing greedy Rock of Gibralta Horse debacle that only helped cause rifts and lead to the irish contingent going back on a previous promise to not sell to the yanks.
Fergie (not sir alex) may think he is god and wont speak to the BBC etc - but when someone does eventually wrote this story in full he will be shown in a shitty light - not all reds think the sun shines from his arse.

Gary Nevilles comments do not suprise me one bit - 'nothing to do with us' - what a tosser.
Not many reds have any respect for this gobshite - I know people who have had it out with him in airports after european games after fans had 'dared' to question the teams performance. Neville yearns for the kind of popularity with fans that the likes of Keane and Eric used to have - unforunately he has neither their wit or class - a very very average full back (ive played with as good at sunday league level) who has made a good living out of United and isnt in touch with the fans and never has been - his brother talks far more sense than him and has far more respect in the game. I think most peole would agree with the comment above that he is a self loving clueless cu.nt.

I look at the ground now and the people who fill some of the seats we used to, and some of the united fans in pubs you bump into and wonder - these are not the same as the lads we used to go with, I despair at some of the people who call themselves reds - clueless 'fergie is god muppets' who would rather buy the official matchday programme of lies with a new shirt every week than a copy of red-issue and a 'f**k scousers' tshirt. HAving to watch united on TV now as i do soem of their comments in pubs beggar belief 'yes fergie its the refs fault we lost at home in the cup to a 3rd division leeds side??!?!? f**k me !!!!. You can stil lbe a red and be honest enough to know Nani and Anderson are never good enough for United, that OShea is a joke, that Scholes is finished or that Carrick is the most overatted noting player ever to play in our midfield - whilst rightly hailing your heores you also have to be honest enough to accept your weaknesses - if not you just look a dick.

The kind of reds i knew and who filled the ground, real reds, are still there of course and still as loyal, as funny and as clued up as ever - but there are less and less of them as the prices go up and grunt stewards who should be twatted get more of a grip on the stands - I was there when this kind of thing happened in the early 90's in K and J stand every week as fans fought toe to toe with stewards for the right to stand up.
All I can say is stick together and fight - protest and fight like f**k - make the time and effort to get together and make yourself strong - do everything you can no matter what - before its too late - who knows with more unity in 2005 we would have made a bigger ripple, but appathy and the fear of loosing tickets etc set in, the 3,000 who left should have been 30,000 - then we would not be in this sad position now.
These ba***rds are killing our club, dont let them do it without giving them at least a bloody nose.

Now that the penny is finally dropping I really hope the new wave of anti glazer feeling gathers pace and they are ousted from our club - I still love United and its horrible to see this happening all in the name of greed and money - Manchester United is about tradgedy and triumph - the busby babes - a bombed out ground built by the most loyal fans in the country from the backstreets of salford to al lover the world - respected and feared throughout the globe - of dreams and great games and nights ....its not about a bunch of american twats who look like the bee-gees or the likes of Ferguson and that ba***rd Neville.
United was here before you both, and will be here after you - I just hope i still recognise it to take my son one day as my dad took me and his dad took him.

Sir Matt would be turning in his grave.

Fight fight fight for United !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

God Bless the Busby Babes - God Bless Manchesater United !

Stacki · **Posted:** Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:05 pm

AndyJH wrote:

I was part of the anti-glazer demonstrations (and eventual riot) at Old trafford in 2005.
After being on a few of these, batoned and bit by a police dog I suddenly thought - stuff this Ive had enough.
So after 25 years of going to OT I took the decision with a heavy heart to give up my season ticket - getting involved with the formation of FCUNITED and following them instead for my fix of football and United banter.
Not an easy decision and agaisnt the wishes of my grandad and dad, both salford lads who had spent all their lives going weatching the shirts as well.

But somethign about the whole episode sickened me - the fact our club was being taken over by these clowns and the few people who were standing up for what was right - were beign bulolied into silence - right outside the ground our loyal support and money had built over decades.
Sometimes you have to make a stand and say - NO - THIS ISNT RIGHT - IM NOT HAVING IT.

We were the only people who had the interests of the club at heart - not players who either didnt give a f**k, were too thick to understand what as going on, or like Neville were just interested in self preservation - and not the likes of David Gil land Ferguson - who were both on record as saying they didnt want United sold - yet went full circle and backed the takeover as it becamwe apparent it couldnt be stopped to save their own necks - personally Idsee them both nailed to the posts infront of the stretford end for their part in it all.

It gives me no pleasure to say everything we spoke out about in May 2005 and tried to stop is now coming to pass - these were not trouble making yobbos - these were seasoned clued up reds with decades of support who loved the club and its history and cared for its future deeply.
Unlike the likes of Ferguson and Gil lwho were looking after their pensions and share pay offs and happy to bow down and suck the Glazers off.

Its refreshing to see someone earlier in this thread mention the role Ferguson played in al lthis over the years - one day some journalist with balls will expose it for what it was - including the embarrasing Rock of Gibralta Horse debacle that only helped cause rifts and lead to the irish contingent going back on a previous promise to not sel lto the yanks.

Gary Nevilles comments do not suprise me one bit - 'nothing to do with us' - what a tosser.
Not many reds have any respect for this gobshite - I know peopel who have had it out with him in airports after european games after fans had 'dared' to question the teams performance. Neville yearns for the kind of popularity with fans that the likes of Keane and Eric used to have - unforunatley he has neither their wit or class - a very very average full back who has made a good living out of United and isnt in touch with the fans and never has been - his brother talks far more sense than him and has far more respect in the game. I think most peole would agree with the comment above that he is a c**t.

I look at the ground now and the people who fill some of the seats we used to, and some of the united fans in pubs you bump into and wonder - these are not the same as the lads we used to go with, i despair at some of the people who cal lthemselves red - clueless fergie is god muppets who would rather buy the official matchday programme of lies with a new shirt every week than a copy of red-issue and a 'f**k scousers' tshirt. The kind of reds i knew and who filled the ground, real reds are still there of course and still as loyal, as funny and as clued up as ever - but there are less and less of them as the prices go up and grunt stewards who should be twatted get more of a grip on the stands - I was there when this kind of thing happened in the early 90's in K and J stand every week as fans fought toe to toe with stewards for the right to stand up.
All I can say is stick together and fight - protest and fight like f**k - make the time and effort to get together and make yourself strong - do everything you can no matter what - before its too late - who knows with more unity in 2005 we would have made a bigger ripple, but appathy and the fear of loosing tickets etc set in, the 3,000 who left should have been 30,000 - then we would not be in this sad position now.
These ba***rds are killing our club, dont let them do it without giving them at least a bloody nose.

Now that the penny is finally dropping I really hope the new wave of anti glazer feeling gathers pace and they are ousted from our club - I still love United and its horrible to see this happening all in the name of greed and money - Manchester United is about tradgedy and triumph - the babes - a ground built by the most loyal fans in the country - respected and feared throughout the world ....its not about a bunch of american twats who look like the bee-gees or the likes of Ferguson and that ba***rd Neville.
United was here before you, and will be here after you - I just hope i still recognise it to take my son one day as my dad took me and his dad took him.

Sir Matt would be turning in his grave.

Fight fight fight for United !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

God Bless the Busby Babes - God Bless Manchesater United.

well said

7eric7 · **Posted:** Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:12 pm

I agree with both of you tbh, Neville is proving himself to be a bit of a c**t and not a red after all, and I cant really recall Carra being too vociferous about anything, back in the days of Shareholders United Eric Cantona and Ole GS were fully paid up members and were used in advertising for new members.

Back to what is happening at the moment though.

Quote:

The Glazer family could take out more than £600m from Manchester United’s revenues over the next seven years in dividends, interest payments and fees arising from the club’s bond issue.

Analysis of the £500m bond prospectus distributed to investors reveals that in addition to annual interest payments of more than £300m the Glazers can take a guaranteed £160 million in dividends, one-off payments and fees out of the club.

The terms of the bond also allow the family to take additional annual eight-figure dividends based on a complex formula relating to the ratio of income to interest. Applied to last year’s figures, which saw net income of £41.6m, the Glazers could have claimed a dividend of almost £21m.

The device allows the Glazers to take a dividend equal to 50 per cent of net cash profits, as long as gross profits are more than double the interest paid figure. If, as the Glazers forecast in the prospectus, income continues to grow at Old Trafford, over the seven-year life of the bond the total dividend could reach more than £140m.

This comes on top of about £260m in interest payments already paid since the Glazers bought the club in 2005, and a further £23m already taken in fees and personal loans to the six children of Malcolm Glazer who sit on the club board.

The Glazers are expected to use the dividends to pay off payment-in-kind loans that stand at £200m but, accruing rolled-up interest at 14.25 per cent annually, are set to grow by £30m this year.

The massive cost to United’s bottom line of the Glazer’s heavily-leveraged acquisition confirms the fears of supporters who maintain that the bond issue allows them to take money out of the club and shore up their position.

The details are contained in the 320-page prospectus that outlines the “covenants” and “permitted transactions” governing the bond issue.

Annual interest on the £500m bond, expected to be about nine per cent, will cost United £45 million a year, or £315 million over the term of the bond. This figure could be increased, however, by potential dividends and fees to United’s parent companies, controlled by the Glazers.

As well as an immediate payment of £70m, the Glazers can take a dividend of £25m at any time during the life of the bond. The £25m dividend is described as a “permitted transaction” “... so long as no default or event of default has occurred and is continuing, other restricted payments [dividends] in an aggregate payment not to exceed £25m since the issue date [of the bond]”.

The prospectus also reveals that the Glazers can pay to United’s parent companies up to £3m a year in “general corporate expenses”. These include “i) fees and expenses properly incurred in the ordinary course of business to auditors and legal advisers; and ii) payments in respect of services provided by directors, officers or employees of any such parent entity”.

These payments are understood to come on top of £6m a year that Glazer-controlled consultancy companies expect to charge United for “administration and management” services over the life of the bond.

Supporters opposed to the Glazers are ramping up lobbying efforts. The Manchester United Supporters Trust has held talks with Manchester MP Tony Lloyd, and protests are likely at Tuesday's Carling Cup semi-final first-leg against City at Eastlands.

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According to The Sun they are even asking the players to chip in.

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THE Glazer family have gone cap in hand to Manchester United's players - effectively asking them for a multi-million pound loan!

United stars were stunned by the handout request when they arrived back last week from their Qatar training camp.

Players were handed a prospectus, as owner Malcolm Glazer attempts to raise a staggering £500million through a bond issue to refinance huge debts.

And SunSport understands even the lower paid Old Trafford staff have been offered the 'opportunity' to invest in the club by the American owners.

A United insider said: "The players don't know what to make of it, really.

"Most are bemused that the people who pay their wages are basically trying to find out if they can have some back.

"A few of the lads know a good investment when they see one, but not too many seem prepared to put their money where their mouths are!"

United are believed to be offering investors an annual return of seven per cent on the bonds, which start at £50,000 a block.

But City experts say returns are dependent on continued success on the field in the years ahead.

The insider added: "There have been people working at Old Trafford for many years, on low salaries, worried about their futures.

"Yet now they are being offered the chance to stretch themselves even further. It's a joke!"

7eric7 · **Posted:** Tue Jan 19, 2010 12:13 pm

Quality first post Andy.

AndyJH · **Joined:** Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:22 am **Posts:** 5

Glazers offering a club they dont even really own back to people who work there and used to own it.
Our club - built by us.
Wankers.

Dont blame the Glazers however - they are schmucks - they come in make money and f**k off - its what they do, locusts.

Blame peope like Gill - who helped all this along, selling his soul - at last their greed is being exposed.
Fergie and Charlton then meekly following on behind - how can you have respect for such people.

Or even go back as far as the Edwards family - Martin tried to hike us off to Maxwell, Knighton and then Sky - eventually raking in £70 mill from the club and leaving the shares in such a way something like this was always going to happen.

instead of a bond scheme - it would be great if someone bought them out - then offered the shares out to fans - no sugar daddy needed, self sufficient and proud - united owned by the fans, what a great idea !

DAZMUFC · **Posted:** Tue Jan 19, 2010 8:16 pm

according to the sun,the gimp and co want the fans to invest in the bond scheme.what a total pish take,they mustn't be listening to the fans,otherwise they would know we dont want them and we deffo dont wanna give any more hard earned cash to those parasites

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